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For those forum members not familiar, Walt Liss authored "Telling A Genuine Johnson Dagger Bayonet From A Reproduction" found under the Bayonet section of the JohnsonAutomatics site.
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The rifle would be a C&R, but not all buyers hold a C&R. If purchased with a C&R, flipping/selling to make a profit becomes a very questionable act.
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On 5/2/2024 at 8:23 PM, ArtR said:WOW! He got $6200 for it! Wonder if he has FFL? IF it was purchased in April as a C&R, this may fall under a definite NO-NO.
Hope the 'new owner' understands what he has purchased.
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I know that I probably speak the feelings of many others in wishing Walt the very best in his recovery.
ArtR
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Hi Andy
First off, do you wish to share the SN? If it is a non-prefix SN, (I.E., no letters in front), we can give you the part SN's that shipped with the rifle from the factory. Secondly, if you wish to post a few high resolution photos, forum members can comment on the condition/state of your rifle.
Then we can go on from there
ArtR
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Prices seem reasonable, lots of photos, and looks like most of in-letting is all done. It will be interesting to hear from Trapdoor or someone.
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On 5/2/2024 at 8:42 PM, camstuff said:Looks like 4805 or 4806 to me. Picture is not that clear. Also seller has nothing else up for auction, hasn’t had any feedback in 6 months. This is a flag for me, this account may have been hacked and using old pictures to sell this.
Also, if the one previously sold in April, seller said barrel was shot out. Current new listing shows 'dark' barrel and a cartridge inserted deeply in muzzle. It also has the following in description:
-This rifle is in fantastic shape.
-the rifle has been test fired. The barrel is dark with a bit of frosting, but still has solid lands and grooves. The muzzle is still tight too! This is a fair shooting rifle
-This rifle will ship for free with full insurance.
Caveat emptor
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The rifle, in the video, SN 5521, was reported by a member back in 2010. He does get a few facts mixed up (Dutch East Indies for example), otherwise, not a bad video
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I wholeheartedly agree. Great find!
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Boy, that's a new on on me.
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Hi guys.
One other note. For those familiar with heating with 'fire wood', and the work involved, we burned just slightly over 10 cords of "hard wood" during those 62 days, (I.E., no soft wood), to make the nearly 2100 gallons.
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TerentiusJ: The fact that the parts do not match any of the factory list is not of concern at all, as this is a "sporter" rifle that was assembled by one of the iterations of Winfield. The fact that you have all parts for a "full military" except for the butt stock is to your benefit. If you should ever locate either a butt stock or full stock set, that would allow you to basically transition to a full military rifle. Regardless, you should be very happy with your purchase as it currently exists. If you are unsure, possibly have a competent gunsmith look the rifle over. However, if your chosen gunsmith knows little to nothing of JSAR's, I would be a bit cautious. Checking headspace would be the one major concern. Other than that, others may chime in, I would think you would be good to go for a test firing.
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Hi RWWJ
You are correct. That is a "huge" hole. The spiral nail is not very big or thick. I will try and get some measurements from that 'old broken' piece that I have, so that it might help, if you find someway or someone to assist in getting/making a part.
ArtR
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So, a final note (?) to the 2024 Maple Syrup season. On April 12th, my nephew, and skeleton crew, hauled another 3000 gallons of barely 1% questionable sap and processed it through the RO. He boiled in the late afternoon, using that sap in an effort to push the last remaining good syrup from the evaporator pans. He re-opened the 48th barrel and completed filling it with 35 gallons of 'syrup', which he is sure will be purchased by the packing house. It was definitely commercial grade.
However, that put his official total for the year at 2095 gallons, a record production year for him. Some other records: 113950 gallons of sap hauled by 116 truck loads/trips. This season of 62 days (first to last boil) tied with the 2018 year. Also, the 24 boil days tied years 2011, 2016, and 2020. This yield also was nearly .55 gal syrup from each tap, a record for him.
He then let the fire go out, and left the evaporator full with the remaining sap. Now some magic begins. This sap will sit for a several weeks, and in that process, the natural sugars and yeasts will ferment, creating natural acids to help clean the pans naturally, instead of using harsh commercial acids. When the fermenting is done, he will drain the evaporator and power wash the interior, and then he will prepare for next years season. This years spouts need to be pulled, all 3813 of them. Over the course of the summer, there is wood to be cut, split, stacked, and dried. Over the next several months, he will have to revisit the woods frequently to remove any branches, limbs, trees, downed either by weather or age, from the lines and make repairs if he finds them.
Until next season....some cleaning photos from the 2021 season
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Richard.
The piece(s) in question, which allows securing the front cross pin tab to the stock , on most diagrams does not seem to have either a 'description' or a replacement source. However, one of the 'original' JSAR parts lists does list two parts that quite well may be the pieces in question. Many years ago, I was able to find one complete piece with spiral screw to replace the broken piece on my rifle. I saved the old piece, and include 2 photos of that piece, along with the original spiral nail with which it was attached to the stock. I have circled in the photo the part where it was broken off from mine. It broke at the widest part of the part. I believe that is was made out of some thin spring steel or the like.
to replace the 'broken'
The cross pins show as two separate parts on some parts lists, however, I believe maybe Joe Scott said, dimensionally, they are identical. You could probably test this theory.
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Hey RWWJ, having 4 parts match the receiver is pretty darn good. Only a few other owners have been able to claim more, with a very few having all the correct parts, which is extremely rare.
Great job on your acquisition. As others have pointed out, there are a few minor issues. You should really acquire the front cross pin. While the locking tab would be nice, you might be able to get by maybe by fashioning one out of thin sheet metal. I will try and find a photo of a complete one for reference.
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Hi TerentiusJ:
I just looked again at the listing and photo, and seller has it listed as SN 4258 and I think I am inclined to believe that as the numeral 6 will normally have a 'tail' on the left side, even if the upper portion is cut off. See image
As the SN probably is different, here is the corrected data for SN 4258
The following information is provided from the production logs:
Receiver SN 4258, Received From: Cranston Arms, Date Received 1/8/1942, Stock No. none, Barrel No. 1934A, Hammer Block No. 5551, Hammer No. 7089, Bolt No. 8602, Locking Cam No. 5836, Firing Pin No. 5342, Extractor No. 4061, Magazine No. 7786, Disposition Date 1/19/1942, Transferred to J.A. Inc - N.P.C
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Hi TerentiusJ and welcome to the forum.
From your post, you seem to have done your homework and you seem to have obtained a decent sporter for a really decent price. Good job!
From your early photos, it appears pretty much a 'military' rifle configuration with a really nice condition sporter stock. Many are not so lucky as to have a barrel with bayonet lug and proper front sight, or not have other expensive changes. While you could try to find an original or aftermarket military stock, I do not think that a major concern. Enjoy what you have.
The following information is provided from the production logs:
Receiver SN 4256, Received From: Cranston Arms, Date Received 1/8/1942, Stock No. none, Barrel No. 2814E, Hammer Block No. 3613, Hammer No. 7451, Bolt No. 8556, Locking Cam No. 4444, Firing Pin No. 9974, Extractor No. 2862, Magazine No. A1394, Disposition Date 1/12/1942, Transferred to J.A. Inc - N.P.C
Without proper and reliable provenance, be very careful about claims of both ownership and usage.
Also, if you would like forum members to comment about the condition of your rifle, please post high definition, quality photos showing all rifle views, and any suspected defects. Generally, photos taken with cell phones or quality cameras produce large files. If you crop the photos to the rifle in general, and scale the photos so the size is less than 2MB, uploading should work well, and the resulting photos will give reviewers enough detail to comment.
ArtR
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Hi guys.
Camstuff reminded me that I need to do an update.
Since I last reported, on 3/31, we have boiled 5 more times, (4/1,4/2,4/3,4/7,4.8) making another 55+60+45+83.5+45 gallons, from another 18,400 gallons of sap. This brings our year total to 2060 gallons of syrup, breaking our year 2016 record of 2025 gallons.
There are 4 grades (colors/flavors) of maple syrup. All of ours fell in the middle two grades of Amber color/Rich flavor and Dark color/Robust flavor, with the majority Amber/Rich. Golden color/Delicate flavor is the top grade. In that case, when tested 76-100% of light will pass through the test sample. Amber/Rich, 51-75% of light will pass through a sample. Dark/Robust, 26-50% of light will pass through a sample. And Very Dark color/Strong flavor, only 0-25% of light will pass through a sample. There are two other tests that syrup must pass, including clarity (cloudiness/turbidity/sediment) , and aroma. When flavor exceeds a norm, we generally will downgrade the syrup to the next lower grade.
I have two photos to share this time.
Each day that we boil, we put a 'sample jar' in the window. I have not taken a current photo, but currently there are 23 jars in the window. While it is hard to imagine, all those jars graded in color as Amber color, but one was downgraded to Dark/Robust as the flavor was much stronger. That held true for of the last 7 boils/samples not seen in this photo.
Also, after we fill a barrel with syrup, we must store it someplace, until it is sold and collected by a packing house. In this photo, there are 44 of 48 barrels made to date. Just imagine 4 more barrels in that room. Each barrel has a tare weight of 48 lbs. And maple syrup weighs roughly 11 lbs per gallon. So a full barrel will average 488 lbs.
As of this morning, my nephew and I were discussing how to proceed. He has approximately 2000+ gallons of sap that extremely slowly flowed over the past 3 days. Also, the temps have been extremely warm (above 60F) and this same sap has sat collected at these above normal temperatures. In the air there are natural yeasts, and when they are in contact with warm moist sugars, they will grow and multiply. While my nephew has not visited the sap station today, he is expecting to smell yeasty or bread dough like aromas. That will spell the end of our season.
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