Brian Alpert

Joseph, I only got to field strip the rifle. I did not remove any screws. As such, I do not know whether the large head screws had lock washers or red rubber inserts in the slit slots. I did not actually remove the butt plate. Marc told me he had removed it and there were the 3 holes underneath. I have no idea whether it had a buffer assembly or not. Perhaps if Marc is reading these posts he can check out these areas and respond.

You do not need the spring steel clip on the firing pin stop. They work fine (and indeed, some were made) without it! Just hold the stop in place while you slide the entire locking cam assembly into the bolt and it will be self retaining.

I have a very nice Deluxe Winfield checkered stock with high comb cheek rest. I picked these up a couple of years ago for a project I never got around to. Both pieces without metal $160 delivered. Note internal crack repaired with epoxy. It does not show externally. This is a gorgeous stock for a Deluxe Scoped Sporter. It needs only stock keys and screws, sling swivel, mainspring tube assembly and recoil pad. http://i30.tinypic.com/2na5js8.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/2j2chtv.jpg http://i30.tinypic.com/23ldvlu.jpg

Walt is correct, JSARs are permitted in Garand Matches. Indeed, I used a JSAR in two of them.

There is no information for #5754. It is a blank line in the production log with data for 5753 and 5755 on either side.

That is an original JSAR bbl which has had the sight and bayonet lug removed and a ramp sight installed. It can probably be "remilitarized".

Skippy, Joseph Scott (409-722-6279) has a VHS video on assembly, disassembly, care and maintenence of the JSAR. It goes into great detail including replacement of the wood and other components. I can recommend it and only wish it existed and I had a copy when I first got involved with JSARs. It goes for around $30 or $35 and a DVD version may also be available.

They posted the final prices (gavel + buyer's premium) for the Stern collection recently auctioned off by James Julia: 1941 LMG $57,500 1944 LMG $74,750 1941 Mexican Marked (semi-auto) $12,075 Dror 7.92MM $14,950

James Julia posted the total prices (gavel + buyer's premium) which were recently realized from 2 very nice investment grade JSARs from the Stern collection: B series 30-06 with bayonet (standard scabbard) $6038 No prefix 7mm with bayonet (Chilean pattern scabbard) $4600 Both of these rifles looked "cherry" http://juliaauctions.net/auctions/233/div_catalog_233.asp

Chuck, Any functioning JSAR, unless it is butchered beyond restoration (like having the rear sight dovetail ground off), is worth $2100 and then some. It sounds like the rifle described is a Winfield standard sporter. It would have a replacement bbl, often made from a Garand bbl, without lug, and a sporter stock with recoil pad. These are Parkerized, not blued. If it has not been drilled and tapped, polished to death or otherwise altered, it is certainly worth $2100. It can easily be restored to proper military configuration by Joseph Scott or with wood and parts from him.

In the past, I have made many posts trying to verbally describe factors in determining the originality of a JSAR butt stock. Attached are photos showing what the 3 holes under the butt plate are supposed to look like as well as the inletting and letter and number stamped on the stock face. http://tinypic.com/i5olrn.jpg http://tinypic.com/i5om6p.jpg

Here is your data on #5862: Received from Cranston Arms 2/10/1942 Stock 2 BBl 5676E Hammer block 6012 Hammer 9977 Bolt 5880 Locking cam 8120 Firing Pin 2989 Extractor 4773 Magazine A877 Transferred to N.P.C. 2/10/42

Here they are again: http://i25.tinypic.com/2jg1ime.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/5ppu1j.jpg

Here is the data on #3650: Received from Cranston Arms 12/18/1941 BBL. 8739E Hammer block2278 Hammer 6086 Bolt 7279 Locking cam 3931 Firing pin 4968 Extractor 3040 Magazine 4844 Transferred to NPC 12/20/1941 Let us know if anything matches.

Here is what I was talking about: http://i28.tinypic.com/b96ro4.jpg

JSAR and 41 LMG bolts are essentially the same except the "cuts" for the bolt catch are different. The extractor, firing pin and stop are identical. The LMG bolt should work in the JSAR but the bolt catch (hold open) won't function. The proper LMG cuts can be machined into a JSAR bolt. Either bolt is difficult to find...SARCO or Numrich do not have them. There was one on Gunbroker a while back. John Darling may still have some operating handles for sale. His e-mail is bettsnjd@tfb.com . SARCO has the complete locking cam assembly. Firing pin stops are hard to find. Good luck!

As most are aware, several Johnsons including 2 JSARs, a 41 LMG, a 44 (or 45) LMG and a Mexican marked semi LMG look-a-like were recently auctioned by Julia. Anyone know what they went for?

Unfortunately, only the noprefix serial number production log is available. Tha A and B prefix logs have yet to be found.

It went for $6M....pretty steep for a rifle with drilled and tapped receiver, extensively repaired butt stock, bbl butchered by the addition of a compensator and fake markings. I guess someone really wanted it!

Great upgrade! Nice new "masthead" and the ease of uploading pictures are a real plus. This board is the best. Great job Jim. We really appreciate all you do.

What do you guys think of the Mexican semi-auto? It can't be for real with those rifle sights. It would be most difficult to gain a sight picture.

Joseph Scott sells replacement stock sets which are "drop in" Call him at 409-722-6279. I believe his e-mail <jmscott@pernet.net> may be down. If you are looking for original wood....good luck. Original stack sets are rarely available, usually repaired and quite pricey.

John, Value is determined based on "correctness" of components and finish or, in the case of an altered rifle, what it would take to "restore" it back to correct military configuration. In your situation, it would only need to have the correct finish applied, a relatively inexpensive undertaking. . One would have to know if the stock was original (they usually are not on the Deluxe Military) and if the bbl is original (they often are on these). If the bbl is original, it is a $3000-3500 rifle; if not $2500-3000. If the stock is also original, add another $300-500). One might get more at auction if you were lucky enough to catch a couple of people who really wanted it and had more money than sense.

I agree. Sounds like you have a Winfield Deluxe Military. Winfield arms sold several varieties of JSARs. They included a standard military....proper military configuration with Parkerized finish, Deluxe Military...same but with high gloss blue finish. standard sporter...sporter stock, no bayonet lug and Parkerized finish, Deluxe Sporter....polished and blued, high end montecarlo stock, ramp front sight and Deluxe scoped sporter...with scope. The Deluxe Militarys are nice looking and have very pretty wood, but in military configuration. I have one which is really nice.

The pins are tapered and driven in from left to right. They can be driven out from right to left and usually reused. Be aware that the front sight is fitted on the bbl with a press so it does not easily slip off but has to be driven off with a wood block. The same goes for the bayonet lug.