M48TANKER
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It's possibly the "Star of David" mark of Israel. You may have to do some research to even get an inkling of that chapter of Lyndon Johnson's dealings with Israel.
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Here is some info from Mr. Joe Scott:
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Thanks dawg180
If the Marbles front sight was installed over a stock diameter muzzle, it could be sweated off and an original sight and bayonet lug put on in it's place. You might have to get the steps turned down on a lathe. Those dimensions are here on the board somewhere.
I've done this several times. If you need help just let me know.
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I'm curious about this barrel. Since it's an original 1941 Johnson barrel, why can't I see any indication of the "steps" on the muzzle end where the military sight and bayonet lug would have been? Also, I can't see any indication of there having been any drill channels for the tapered cross pins which would have held the sight and bayonet lug. Did Winfield, or some other surplus seller, have some of the original barrels turned down from the center guide bushing out to the muzzle end?
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In spite of all of "our" criticisms, I'd be happy to own all of these rifles...at some? price.
If you ask us for our opinion, that is a challenge to find all of it's faults and good points too, so you can make an informed decision.
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1 hour ago, JAG2955 said:No, I firmly understand that. It’s far from my first rodeo in the milsurp world, but I am curious about that one, as it caught my eye. Other than the sight, is there anything else that is questionable?
JAG,
That is a nice looking rifle. All the screw heads I could see look great. The finish on the wood looks nice and the parkerizing looks good too.(or maybe TOO good?)
The stamping looks a bit "worn" and that leads me to think the "parkerizing" job might be "post war." The finish on the wood doesn't appear to have sustained much battle damage. On the left rear of the buttstock, adjacent to the butt plate, there appear to be a couple of small cracks beginning. Of course the front sight has been altered but the rear sight looks original. Sometimes the rear sight was cut in half at the peep hole and/or was filed to a "V"
All in all the rifle doesn't appear to be a "battlefield pickup" and is pleasing to the eye. If you like it, you can make up your own story about previous usage when you show it to your friends!
I remembered a photo in "Adriaan's Toys" album on this website. I'm not going to question this old war horse's past.
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On 11/9/2023 at 8:38 AM, camstuff said:This is the first time I’ve seen the rear sight installed backwards. There was one in the last year or so where the front sight was backwards.
I agree, we all want to see the details. By the way, both of these new auctions are by sellers who have zero feedback, both are shown as NR, and don’t have any other auctions at this time.
Perhaps the rifle once had a scope? Maybe the owner wanted to retain the original leaf sight if case the scope got damaged? If we could see the top, rear portion of the receiver we might see drilled and tapped scope mount holes. Anyway, it's also missing the sight elevator.
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TimH,
You might want to check the length of the recoil spring. It should measure a full 12 inches for the rifle to have the best chance at functioning properly. We hear many stories of jams and other malfunctions caused by an aged spring. Usually the culprits will be springs measuring 11 inches....11&1/2 inches....11&5/8 inches....11&3/4 inches, etc.
I would field strip and clean the rifle, paying attention to the recoil spring and spring tube...an area that sometimes gets neglected in even the best looking rifles.
A good main recoil spring cushions the recoil impact on the firearm and aids in proper extraction and ejection.
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6 hours ago, tsmgguy said:Question for you guys with knowledge of Winfield sporters.
I notice that on these the recoil spring housing tube stop screw holes are usually filled in on the butt stock. Is the stop usually present under the plug, or is the spring tube held in place only by wood contact and the butt plate?
The tube "stop" bar has been present on all the sporters which I have encountered. Most which I've seen, have no screws holding the "stop" in place...only wooden plugs recessed flush with the surface. Sometimes it looks like they attempted to match the wood grain and sometimes it appears they didn't even try to match the stock's grain or even come close. I have seen a few sporter stocks which have the plugged hole on only one side...I couldn't find a plug on the other side.
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2 hours ago, ArtR said:Which brings to mind. How many 'bubbas' are out there looking at their 'bubbafied' guns, realizing how their actions have reduced the potential value of their creations to next to zero?
ArtR, that reminds me of a phrase I once heard: "Beauty is in the Eye of the Beer Holder"
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On 1/25/2024 at 9:19 AM, eb in oregon said:User carelessness is not an indicator of originality or restoration in my opinion.
I think we can all agree with you on that point.
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Bulldog43,
Beautiful example of a well kept 1941 Johnson. I agree with ArtR's assessment. My Miltech rifle is absolutely "Like New" and perfect in every way, just as Matconcrete described.
I thought that Miltech also offered "customizable" rebuilding. What I mean by that is only replacing unserviceable parts? Now if you just buy an "off the shelf" Miltech offering, it's going to be as near perfect as they can make it. However If a customer sends their personal rifle in to be refurbished, they won't replace the barrel if you don't want them to?
I suppose if they deemed the barrel to be dangerous to shoot, they would want to replace it anyway with the customer's agreement. Maybe I'm mistaken on this and hope someone can enlighten me.
My other "original" rifles, do show very minor handling marks, small dents and dings, etc. However, I hate buggered up screws and if I can't restore them I will replace them with NOS screws.
I do have Johnsons in near battlefield condition and there is not much doubt they have "Been there/Done that."
Perhaps if you acquired a really well kept rifle and then it's a closet queen for 78 of it's 82 years, it would probably look as nice as Bulldog's rifle does?
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Gentlemen,
I just saw this on Gunbroker: "https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/1028961745"
Apparently the seller is NOT trying to fool anyone. Please look this offering over well and let me know what you think of it. My gut instinct tells me that this is most likely a reproduction bayonet and an "AGED" sheath. Someone did a pretty good job of distressing it.
Note the seller's description is worded so as to not mislead a potential buyer.
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Yes Art, I do have some Johnson parts which I've accumulated with no intent but to pass them on to some of you guys.(and perhaps gals?)
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I couldn't help it....I did win that auction.
The seller: DANCO, often has Johnson stuff.
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5 hours ago, ryche_me said:Hey buddy glad it all got there. If Tanker reads this i think he did at least one. Joe Scott should have some good advice as well.
Art have you ever done one of these? or know where he can find the info on the forum files?
Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
Ryche
Hello Ryche and BBBQ
I'm glad to hear that you two got together and got the parts handled. I've now made up four barrels. I used NOS 1903A3 barrels and they worked out well. To begin with you will need access to a lathe and someone who knows how to use it. You'll have to re-cut the threads on the new barrel. There is a step by step procedure for installing the rear locking lug collar onto the barrel. Then you can move on to the installation of the center barrel bushing in proper alignment with the locking lug collar. The bayonet lug and front sight will then be pinned onto their stepped down positions at the muzzle end.
You just need to determine how often you might be doing re-barreling projects. I already had my old South Bend 9in. lathe, a $1500.00 investment 20 years ago. It has paid for itself many times over. I have no idea of what a gunsmith might charge for assembling a replacement 1941 Johnson barrel? If you anticipate doing you own gunsmithing and machining work in the future, you may want to invest in your own equipment. If not, you probably want to farm it out to someone else.
I noticed that you don't seem to have a bayonet lug yet. I would advise you to prepare the new barrel for the bayonet lug when you have the other work done, and then you can add a bayonet lug later. This will just involve reducing the diameter of the barrel for just a bit behind the front sight. It won't look bad for now and would save you a lot of grief later.
You're right, all the dimensions are on the board somewhere.
Joe Scott used to provide replacement barrel assembly at a very reasonable price. He would be your best bet.
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On 10/20/2023 at 10:56 AM, ArtR said:This is all my opinion only and not meant to cast doubt on the gun, the story, nor the seller.
On SN B8824 It's not "just you" Art...that stock has so many discrepancies it boggles the mind.
The holes for the "recoil stop" and it's screws (securing the mainspring tube) have been "relocated" and the "original" holes filled with putty of some sort. The rear sling swivel is not original for a 1941 Johnson, and as noted, it's screws are not "fitted" properly. The in-letting for the sear housing/trigger guard has been altered, moved over, out of alignment, and wood filler placed around the botched hole. The stock is just "fatter" than usual and the buttplate just won't cover it. Lousy job of in-letting the tang of the buttplate too. (wouldn't you like to see if there are three holes under that plate?) I have a real problem accepting the part of the description reading: "The Stock is the original WWII stock that remains in its original, unaltered, military configuration" 
Maybe that description goes with another gun? My guess is that stock is a butchered replacement.
This is all my opinion only and not meant to cast doubt on the gun, the story, nor the seller.
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Interesting indeed!
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This seems to be a fine example of a nice "Sporter". I have seen a couple nearly identical, and maybe in even a bit better condition. However, the others only had the one 30.06 barrel.
With the amount that barrels are bringing at present, the selling price of SN B0104 might be much higher than the rifle alone.
This will be an interesting auction.
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Great drawings. Even I could understand them.
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On 9/5/2023 at 2:36 PM, JEM said:Parts for the Model 1941 rifle. The extractor is a new one from Numrich, the rest appear to be OEM. Anyone interested, all or none, sorry.
I'm interested. Please PM me
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May he rest in peace.
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14 hours ago, JSDKMS said:NEW ON GB -
Item 1005073781 The "forestock" is one of the Sporter type, which does not have the notch cut out on the right rear corner near the mag well. This means that if it has a front take down pin it will just be a piece of metal dowel rod...or I have seen a fiberglass rod used. The rear takedown pin appears to be just a metal dowel also with no rotating retainer clip.
Because of the shortened taper pins in the bayonet lug and the front sight, and no visible markings of the Gladius swords or J. A. or caliber designation can be seen through the holes of the radiator. I'm pretty sure it's a replacement barrel. The magazine spring is wrong also. The pictures below will show what should be there and then another pic of the auction rifle showing some of the irregularities. All in all it's still a nice Johnson and wouldn't take much to make it right.
in Johnson 1941 Rifle
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Tinsoldier, you are right....not much resemblance to an actual "Israeli" marking. I had never compared them before.
I'm still trying to find out what company made the scabbards for the Chilean contract bayonets.