tinsoldier

Godspeed for a full recovery.

On 5/3/2024 at 11:38 AM, DanP said:

I was not sure where to post this, or is even relevant to the JSAR community?

I am thinking there was no relation to the JSAR or to Col. Melvin Johnson.

Looking for any information on some documents I came across.

Johnson Automatic Carbine Type S55/3-1, Cal..30 CARB.- Prototype by Lt. Col James H. Johnson. Circa 1968

It looks similar to a "Feather Industries" AT-9, but in .30 carbine. And was pitched to the government  with a submachine gun version

Is it possible to scan the documents and upload them here?  I've gotten nowhere trying to research based on your post.

6 minutes ago, tsmgguy said:

Does Prestigious add the lightening holes under the butt plate? Could stock laminations be added as well? These are what would make a repro just that much more accurate.

From their website 

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In addition to the first two helpful posts, I suggest you acquire a copy of "the Book" while you still can (Bruce Canfield's Johnson Rifles And Machine Guns).  The last printing is finished and there will be no more.

Stuff on their website looks good, let's hope.

WOW!!! That's Awesome!  A correspondence letter from Henry Cabot Lodge jr. concerning the JSAR!  WOW!  Great score Frank!! 

Thanks all, I appreciate the replies.  Just one more mystery to add, I guess. 

Star of David stampings on 2 Israeli bayonets.  The 6 points broaden out toward the center significantly more than those on the JSAR 'spur' stamping.  ?????

59 minutes ago, M48TANKER said:

It's possibly the "Star of David" mark of Israel. You may have to do some research to even get an inkling of that chapter of Lyndon Johnson's dealings with Israel.

 

Thanks M48TANKER, I suppose it's possible, although it doesn't look like the stampings on my 2 Israeli Mauser bayonets... I will definitely try to research that.  

14 hours ago, matconcrete said:

I love it, B3222 is another USMC rifle but family did not want to release paper work! I am sure some of these were USMC used but when in very nice condition? Always makes me suspicious.

I know of this seller, as he is local in my area.  Caveat Emptor would be an understatement for some of what he comes up with. 

16 hours ago, ArtR said:

Boy, that's a new on on me.

Thanks for replying Art... I actually had taken the rifle all apart over a year ago, and cleaned it without noticing this.  At 64, my eyes aren't as sharp as they used to be.  I just thought it was a 'ding' until I went to put a sling on it the other day.   

Has anyone else discovered a character stamped on the bottom of their JSAR trigger guard?  This one is tiny - about the same size as the Dutch acceptance star, but has 6 points like a spur.

It's on one of my B prefix rifles.

32 minutes ago, Rarecat said:

Unfortunately I too would recommend not placing any hope of Murrays delivering.  A friend of mine sent a receiver and trigger group at their request.  A year went by and my friend finally got his JSAR parts back but not stock.  The story was (at that time) that the Murray guy needed someone to bore the spring tube correctly and he couldn't do it.  

We have the same friend.

1 hour ago, camstuff said:

I remember some people having issues with Murray.  I would advise doing some search’s for Murry or Murray’s stocks just to read up on what you might encounter. 

Yes, this is true - I got an NRA sporter stock from him that I was not happy with.  A good friend sent him some JSAR samples and metal with the intent of Murray producing repro wood.  Much time elapsed before Murray returned the samples stating that it couldn't be done.

51 minutes ago, RWWJ said:

Hi TinSoldier

Thank you for you input and feed back also, i have not figured out how to reply to an individual post yet so will keep trying, meantime you you mind sharing what a IMO Buttstock is please ?

many thanks 

Richard 

PS i have just discovered that if i hide my location behind a VPN i can view the Numrich website so happy days i will see if i can find my missing parts on there :-)

 

IMO = In my opinion.  It's just part of the jargon we yanks use.

Nice Looking rifle, it's been sporterized, BUT it retains the front sight and bayonet lug, two of the more difficult parts to find if you need them.

Being a no letter prefix gun, ArtR can give you info on what numbered parts were in it when it left the factory.  Congratulations and welcome aboard!

B3601 is described by seller as "correct, excellent, and rare".  Appears to be missing the front sight pins, forearm has no cutout for the front cross pin.  Buttplate doesn't fit well.   The member here who owned it states that it had a ramp front sight and no bayonet lug, and appeared to be reparked, back in 2005.  Seller claims wood is all original, "been together for 80 years".  Metal finish "all original". Hmmmmmm....

10 minutes ago, tsmgguy said:

Welcome!

The magazine cover spring should be a leaf of spring steel rather than the coil spring shown in your photo, It's part number 31 in the schematic and list shown here:

Johnson Semi-Auto 1941 Schematic | Numrich (gunpartscorp.com)

 

 

Nice catch!!

11 hours ago, RWWJ said:

Hi Phil and Tin Soldier 

Thank you very much for the advice and feed back, i am about to head away for a week however when i get back i am looking forward to stripping her down and checking everything out so i will get some photos of the serial numbers and get back to you all asap. Its great to have a new addition to the family(so to speak) in which the parts can be so well identified and verified, greatly appreciated 

Cheers

Richard    

That's the nice thing about having a non-prefix rifle, ArtR can tell you what's what as to originality, as matconcrete said.

The letter prefix guns are anybody's guess at the moment.  Anyway, welcome aboard!

Looks like a nice old war horse that saw some use for it's intended purpose.  Buttstock is a replacement, IMO.  You're missing the front cross pin, and the retaining clip that's pinned to the forend, not uncommon for a battle rifle.  Currently, there's a pin listed on ebay for $24.95

6 hours ago, ArtR said:

 

SN 7126 seen on GunBroker, (Miltech???? parkerizing just too sharp) also something strange on photo #28, Bolt original to rifle

Yes, light gray fresh parkerizing, extra set of pin grooves between the bayo lug and front sight, and the front forend screw looks to be backed out a bunch.  ?????????

2 hours ago, tsmgguy said:

RARE ORIGINAL WW2 M1941 JOHNSON SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE MAGAZINE AXIS PIN WWII | eBay

I have bought from this seller before and have found them to be honest and diligent. Looks like the flared end of this pin might be slightly bent but that might be a trick of the camera angle. 

Same here, good, honest seller in my experience.

Very Nice!!

Congrats!  Glad it worked out well and welcome to the forum!

2 hours ago, dawg180 said:

Got the barrel today, it is an actual Johnson barrel with matching serial number on the barrel and barrel extension and the "JA 30-06" near the breech end.

It either was welded up super proferssionally, or possibly turned down at the muzzle end (slight taper) to remove the pin marks, or I guess it could have been a factory barrel with no front sight or bayonet lug ever installed, so I will have to measure it to see what diameter it is near the muzzle.

 

If you can dig up the muzzle diameter on a factory barrel that would be great, otherwise a friend of mine has a 1941 Johnson that I can measure the outside diameter of the barrel to compare.

I'm getting a micrometer reading on one of mine at .562" at the muzzle.  .590" just in front of the bayonet lug.  If that helps any.